Posts by cha ching

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Dutch petition for investigation into child abuse cases

by jochie in

please read.

last weekend, trouw, a dutch newspaper, published several articles on sexual abuse within the jehovah's witnesses organization.

this church organization attempts to resolve abuse internally without going to the police or courts.. so therefore i made this petition to ask the dutch parliament to start an investigation.

cha ching

Great list, I like # 2... It addresses a very deep root of the problem.

2. This religious freedom should not be used as a means of denying justice to victims

For as much as a JW will want to deny this, many are DFd for *'reporting to the police'

*testifying against the WT ("speaking abusively of the glorious ones", yes, my husband was DFd for that)

*DF'd for talking about their abuse, or exposing the abuser (THAT is defitinitely "way worse than" being the pedophile)

*threatened with losing family and friends if they "leave the organization" even if due to trauma or disappointment or people lying to them.

My heart goes out to all abuse victims.

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Question for those who went to the RC

by joe134cd in

i'm just curious with all the happy clapping that is now going on with the singing at the conventions.

what has been the reaction to it with the r&f.

has anyone ever commented that it reminded them of a pentecostal revival meeting.

cha ching

My husband and I agree, it is like a frog getting boiled. They thought of how to do this 20 or 30 years ago, and slowly turned up the heat.

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Question for those who went to the RC

by joe134cd in

i'm just curious with all the happy clapping that is now going on with the singing at the conventions.

what has been the reaction to it with the r&f.

has anyone ever commented that it reminded them of a pentecostal revival meeting.

cha ching

I do not go anymore, but right before I left, whenever a brother would say "Don't we Loooooooove this new light?" and everyone clapped.... reminded me of a bunch of penguins.

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Can the GB be directed by Holy Spirit and at the same time be not inspired ?

by Chook in

yes god directs our writings but they're not inspired, so gods directions are staggered and overlapping , so the genuine innocent believing jw has a wonderful life of overlapping bullshit.

so next time you meet a jw priest ask them what is the difference between being directed and inspired, then i promise you will hear first hand an example of overlapping bull..

cha ching

Ask a JW: "Are the GB inspired?"

and they answer "no"

reply: "I knew it the whole time!"

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BBC News "The ex-Jehovah's Witnesses shunned by their families"

by snare&racket in

jw
friends

bbc news website has this linked on front page.. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40704990.

cha ching

The fact that BBC is taking note, TAKING THE TIME and writing, interviewing about shunning about shunning & disfellowshipping is AWESOME!!!

I was in London for the Reveal News Conference in April/May... BBC was there, they thought they would put in their two cents, write a line or two and leave.

What they heard was so powerful, it moved them to do more!

They told us that... They went and got camera equipment, a crew, came back and did interviews. THEY did not realize the harm WT does. They cared! Change starts somewhere...

Kudos to them!

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"you're parents are going to die", my bible teacher said that to my sister and i. a 12-year-old and 14-year-old, simply going to a theocratic school meeting, learning to be submissive and learn how to preach the 'watchtower way'.

this incident was after meeting ended.

we made our way to our frail bible teacher.

cha ching

So sorry for you, many children suffer in silence, have nightmares, are mad, and do not get to express themselves, or escape until many years later.....

My sister worried about our grandmother dying at Armageddon... all the time.

Hugs to you,

cha ching

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psychopath

by mann377 in

jw
friends

very interesting article.

read this and see if this reminds you of seven men in warwick or some you have known in the congregation.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4718414/psychopaths-better-learning-lie-others.html.

cha ching

I totally think they are psychopathic!

How To Spot a Psychopath:

Common signs include superficial charm, a grandiose notion of self-worth, the need for stimulation and impulsiveness, pathological lying, the ability to manipulate others and a lack of remorse and empath

;-)

cha ching!

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I'm writing a letter to my country's branch

by Ray Frankz in

hi everyone.. well, i have some good news.

after having a terrible moment arguing with my mom about the 1914 teaching and all it evolves (she get really upset and i felt great regret for starting the argument) she came to me next day and started talking with a much more open mind, and she talked about a lot of concerns too.. she and my father naivily expressed the wish to write to bethel to ask about 607bc.

i told in all the possible ways it wouldn't work.

cha ching

PS, do not write a letter, they do not care, thousands of people have written, they get DFd.....

I saw a video of these 2 Irish brothers used their savings to travel to NY to speak to the GB.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jnmUuEsEnA

The one brother, John Joseph May, had questions (for one thing) about 1914... and another bout why Freddy Franz was DF'd. He "rang" Brother Barr (who had been a friend of the family for many years) and then wrote him with about 12 questions, never got an answer, got an "acknowledgement" but no answers.

They used a lot of money to travel to NY to speak with the GB.... they would not meet with them. You can hear this dear person tell the story himself....

Learn from history.

Best to you,

cha ching

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I'm writing a letter to my country's branch

by Ray Frankz in

hi everyone.. well, i have some good news.

after having a terrible moment arguing with my mom about the 1914 teaching and all it evolves (she get really upset and i felt great regret for starting the argument) she came to me next day and started talking with a much more open mind, and she talked about a lot of concerns too.. she and my father naivily expressed the wish to write to bethel to ask about 607bc.

i told in all the possible ways it wouldn't work.

cha ching

I think you should take out the Oct & Nov WT of 2011, and be thumbing through it innocently, and sayd "hey, look what I noticed!"

Point out the way the Society makes a big picture of a tablet they think was cracked, and they can't tell if it was 'this or that' date, or what exactly was meant, and that there were two lunar eclipses within 40 years... (I can't remember the exact quotes, you will have to do the research, sorry)

THEN, and this is the simplest, most important point.... In one of the little teeny tiny footnote type statements, it says that there are thousands of these business tablets kept by the Egibi tribe, and there is one for every year a kind of Babylon reigned. They always put the date at the top (like we do) but it included, The King, The Year of his Rule, Where the stars were....

The WT said, if you use these, you will come up with 587 BCE.... It is simple.

To get dates, WT has to use things found by archaeologists.... Why are they always distracting people with questions, broken tablets, things written hundreds of years later?

There are tablets for every day.... 587 is the year.

If 587 is the year, there is no 1914... and that means? 1919 and the "choosing of the GB" is a bunch of nothing....

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Watchtower Victims Memorial Day!!!

by Christian Gutierrez in

jw
friends

hey guys i just wanted to share with you all a video we made this week for watchtower victims memorial day.

cheers!

😊.

cha ching

I like the positive way you both talk... people your age (and others) will not feel "hatred from apostates"... they will see two human beings, just wanting to be loved. Very good job.